angeles to chicago, and that our airports and highways and bridges and all of the -- do you buy that argument? >> i'm from a town where the major bridge collapsed because of pigeon poop. yes, i do agree. jeez, we may be in a developing country. >> yeah, right. but, i mean, the next question is there a government role there? people are calling for infrastructure spending. that will mean not only construction jobs, but -- >> i got a great example. my parents were always wise enough to get me out of town in the summer. so a lot of it was spent in the boundary waters of minnesota. there is a light house there called the split rock light house. and the reason i chose that for my little business is it's a perfect example, in the absence of the investment in that lighthouse, no individual company would have invested in that, you wouldn't have opened up either the iron ranch for the u.s. steel industry or the wheat lands on both sides of the u.s. and canadian border to world trade. you needed the lighthouse. that is the sort of investment the government has to do. i think we'd agree that we'